tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3793782800729950147.post2380501796446657785..comments2024-03-26T21:29:07.190-07:00Comments on Rejoice, and be exceeding glad...: Are You a Victim of the Family Tree?James Tannerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02989059644120454647noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3793782800729950147.post-54372551523582291452018-07-29T08:41:05.795-07:002018-07-29T08:41:05.795-07:00One core idea of the Family Tree is collaboration....One core idea of the Family Tree is collaboration. If you feel like you are alone fighting the universe then you will get discouraged. If you enlist the help of interested relatives and family members, you can get the job done. We approach this from a family standpoint, not as individuals. James Tannerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02989059644120454647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3793782800729950147.post-59085825372004836602018-07-29T05:30:05.263-07:002018-07-29T05:30:05.263-07:00I agree with David. Correcting repeated wrong edit...I agree with David. Correcting repeated wrong edits is only possible when you have the time and energy for that, and when you have a full time job, and living relatives to take care of, you'll loose the 'battle' simply because of lack of time. In other words, the 'bad' persons win, because they have more time, and nobody stops them.<br />This is why we have curators on sites like Geni, and why have judges and other mechanisms to protect the weak. And I don't call this a victim mentality, because my disadvantage (time) is real, and the lack of decent protection really makes me walk away from the tree.Enno Borgsteedehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15212823867293147091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3793782800729950147.post-3143469797187404882018-07-29T01:40:22.209-07:002018-07-29T01:40:22.209-07:00However she does highlight on of the real problems...However she does highlight on of the real problems with FSFT for which nothing substantive is really done: repeated wrong edits by the same person. What should have happened (after suitable proof of contact with the person doing the wrong edits and proof of her grandmother being alive etc) is that the person making the repeated wrong edits should have had their editing rights suspended until they had completed a remedial genealogy course.<br /><br />It's this lack of care over wrong edits to FSFT which does need remedying and does make it too much of a free-for-all.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05555471831028752100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3793782800729950147.post-87906239659271683742018-07-28T16:47:54.265-07:002018-07-28T16:47:54.265-07:00You aren't describing a victim mentality, you ...You aren't describing a victim mentality, you are describing the exact opposite. You would be a victim if you gave up the first time there was a change.James Tannerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02989059644120454647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3793782800729950147.post-54565179396113294822018-07-28T10:21:31.258-07:002018-07-28T10:21:31.258-07:00I will add that I have had success in getting Fami...I will add that I have had success in getting Family Search to help when I had an ancestor who was wrongly listed as being married to a prophet. I couldn't dissolve the relationship because Family Search had restricted it. When I sent an email with the proof I had of the lack of a relationship, they did change it themselves. That's why I contacted them with the issue with my grandmother - they'd been helpful with this kind of thing before.Lisa Van Gemerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01385800028725484145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3793782800729950147.post-79923352129039455862018-07-28T10:17:14.450-07:002018-07-28T10:17:14.450-07:00I feel like this is a pretty aggressive stance. I ...I feel like this is a pretty aggressive stance. I don't think that your blaming people who have this mentality is fully accurate. One can wish for changes to Family Search without feeling any of these things.<br /><br />Let me give you an example:<br /><br />A user kept making my very much alive grandmother dead, assuming that she wouldn't still be alive at 95. This wasn't correct. I kept making her alive, and a user kept making her dead. I contacted Family Search and asked them to "freeze" her so that people couldn't keep killing her. I am her closest living relative, and I told them I would definitely list her death date when she died, but to please not let people make her (and three of her sisters who also kept being killed) dead when they were not. They wouldn't do anything about it, so I moved on. <br /><br />I messaged the person who was making her dead and explained that I was her granddaughter and that she was very much alive, as were her sisters. I asked very politely if she would please stop making her deceased.<br /><br />The person responded that she could put in any information she wanted because it wasn't "my" tree. I fully understand that it is a crowdsourced tree, yet making someone dead who is alive makes a lot of information about a living person no longer private. Crowdsourced doesn't mean - or shouldn't mean - a free for all. <br /><br />I put a tickler in my calendar and consistently went in to raise my relatives from the dead, which wasn't an ideal solution, but because neither the user nor Family Search were interested in any other solution I offered, that was what I did. I feel that there should be a way to make sure this doesn't happen, but I don't fall into any of your categories. <br />I don't think the user who was doing this is a bad person. I do think she is ignorant. It's sad that I was almost relieved when my grandmother actually did die because then I could stop fixing it over an over. I think there is likely a better way.<br /><br />Desiring an improvement doesn't make me a person with a victim mentality. It makes me someone who appreciates Family Search and would like it to be as useful and accurate as possible. As a member of the Church, I like it to be effective because I share it over and over, and its success is strongly dependant upon the trust people have in it - not that it will be perfect, but that it will continue to improve. Lisa Van Gemerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01385800028725484145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3793782800729950147.post-62205567005807371462018-07-28T07:57:44.554-07:002018-07-28T07:57:44.554-07:00thank youthank youL.Nelsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11704532295080216990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3793782800729950147.post-3228746412412983612018-07-28T05:07:07.394-07:002018-07-28T05:07:07.394-07:00You might enjoy my old blog with Answers to Geni S...You might enjoy my old blog with Answers to Geni Skeptics. http://schoenblog.com/?p=471Randy Schoenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12855025173204387728noreply@blogger.com